[Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source

James Nylen jnylen at gmail.com
Fri Dec 14 04:28:28 UTC 2012


What a informative and thread!  An useful one too!


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:53 PM, rdflowers <base at chalice.us> wrote:

> So, Chaddie,
>
> You made a lawyer-type response to your inaccurate caricature. So, I guess
> in some technical sense, it is correct that you put in a disclaimer. BUT,
> eeewwwww -- much worse than toe jam, in my opinion. I do agree that his
> pedophilia attitude ( IF TRUE ) is creepy. eeewwwwww
>
> You did not answer my other points. You don't like his style. So what?
>
> Whether or not the distro referred to "is spyware", what on the sacred
> Planet does its popularity have to DO with it?
>
> Like others, he has strong opinions. You really really hate that he
> criticized someone's web site? Please get help.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Message from chad78 at gmail.com ---------
>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:35:44 -0600
>     From: Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com>
>
> Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
>       To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>
>
>  He hasn't forced anyone to do anything, that I am aware of.
>>
>> What you seem to be referring to is where I was responding to someone
>> claiming that i had made Dick into a Bond Villian.
>>
>> Here is the entire quote of my response.
>>
>> "I was thinking more along the lines of a villain to some bizarro-world
>> version of Captain Planet. Where instead of Captain Planet promoting
>> Environmentalism, it was Captain Free Market promoting Libertarianism.
>>  Dick Stallman would be one of the over-the-top cartoon
>> Marxist Fascist villain who would fit in perfectly in that universe.
>>
>> Spewing 1984 double-speak promoting of "Freedom" whilst forcing everyone
>> to
>> obey the almighty GPL 3.0 (which is preparing the way for the GPL 4.0 -
>> "Thou shalt do all thy programming for free, and allow everyone to have
>> access to everything you've ever created on demand and at no cost in
>> whatever format they desire.")
>>
>> Here, he's just crazy."
>>
>> In case you can't follow it, in the first paragraph I set it up,
>> explaining
>> that I do not view him as a Bond villain, but a cartoon villain.  As if
>> from some non-existant cartoon promoting the Free Market.  "In that
>> universe" as I end the first paragraph, he would do the following things
>> outlined in the second paragraph. Claiming to promote freedom but only
>> giving slavery (which is what it is called when you have to work for no
>> pay
>> against your will).
>>
>> I then revert back to reality in the 3rd and final paragraph, where I
>> begin
>> by saying "Here" as opposed to the "in that universe" that I had been
>> describing for the rest of the email, "he's just crazy".
>>
>> Here he does not force anyone to do anything, because he lacks the power
>> to
>> do so.  But as I have seen first hand, he would do so if given the power.
>>  By making wild claims against projects that he doesn't agree with, (like
>> calling one of the most popular version of desktop linux "Spyware") and
>> making demands of other projects (like telling OpenOffice.org how to run
>> their website) - it is clear that he wants everyone to bow to his wishes.
>>
>> And I'd like to quote this gem from the Chugalug archives circa 2009
>> */NOTE/* this was not posted by me, I can neither confirm nor deny the
>> validity of these claims.
>>
>> ===QUOTE===
>> I cannot fathom how the whole Stallman worship thing started.
>>
>> He picks his toe jam in the middle of lectures and ponders in earnest
>> if "consentual pedophilia really harms children"
>>
>> Why is this man on a lecture circuit?
>>
>> They may as well send clowns, the beared lady and a few elephants with him
>> so
>> they can have a proper circus.
>>
>> Eccentricities aside, all I see is a legacy text editor, an aging toolkit,
>> hijack attempts on Linux as Hurd pretty much died on the vine and a naive
>> and
>> ultimately unworkable philosophy.
>>
>> As far as I am concerned, he's done more damage to Open Source than
>> Microsoft
>> ever could.
>>
>> If we could have a community more in-line with the BSD folk, I'd be a
>> happy
>> camper.
>>
>> ===END QUOTE===
>>
>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM, rdflowers <base at chalice.us> wrote:
>>
>>  Chaddie, ( since you want to call Richard Stallman "Dick Stallman" )  --
>>>
>>> Exactly HOW has RMS "forced" anyone to do anything?
>>>
>>> Isn't it the authors who do not want to allow a copy of their own code to
>>> be distributed padlocked -- who are only forcing you not to do that? Is
>>> RMS
>>> not just creating and defending a means for those authors to do that???
>>> What is your whine about?
>>>
>>> So what if he disapproves of some of your choices, and says so? You
>>> imagine yourself to have a right that he not do this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Message from rod-lists at epbfi.com ---------
>>>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:11:58 -0500 (EST)
>>>     From: Rod-Lists <rod-lists at epbfi.com>
>>> Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
>>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>>>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
>>>
>>>       To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
>>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>  no just dedicated to his cause.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I was thinking more along the lines of a villain to some bizarro-world
>>>>> version of Captain Planet. Where instead of Captain Planet promoting
>>>>> Environmentalism, it was Captain Free Market promoting Libertarianism.
>>>>>  Dick Stallman would be one of the over-the-top cartoon
>>>>> Marxist Fascist villain who would fit in perfectly in that universe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spewing 1984 double-speak promoting of "Freedom" whilst forcing
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> to
>>>>> obey the almighty GPL 3.0 (which is preparing the way for the GPL 4.0 -
>>>>> "Thou shalt do all thy programming for free, and allow everyone to have
>>>>> access to everything you've ever created on demand and at no cost in
>>>>> whatever format they desire.")
>>>>>
>>>>> Here, he's just crazy.
>>>>>
>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Richard Stallman is, apparently, now a Bond Villain
>>>>> > On Dec 11, 2012 1:13 PM, "Chad Smith" <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>  My issue is with *him* as a person.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I don't like him.  I don't like his personality, I don't like his
>>>>> >> arrogance, I don't like his self-promotion.  So, yes, I don't like
>>>>> his tone.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> He is a megalomanic, a narcissist, an idiot (when it comes to
>>>>> dealing
>>>>> >> with human beings), and a jerk.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> He believes everyone should do things the way HE thinks that they
>>>>> should
>>>>> >> be done.  That all software should be his definition of "Free
>>>>> Software®™©".
>>>>> >>  That's not freedom - that's the opposite of freedom.  If
>>>>> programmers
>>>>> don't
>>>>> >> have the choice to NOT give away their software - to NOT share their
>>>>> code
>>>>> >> ... then they are not free.  The software may be free - but the
>>>>> programmer
>>>>> >> is not.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I like open source software.  I use open source software.  I have
>>>>> >> promoted and supported open source software - with my time, my
>>>>> voice,
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> my dollars.  I believe that there are good things about open source
>>>>> >> software.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am one of those people who promote the pragmatic side of it.  Many
>>>>> >> hands make light work, many eyes make bugs small (and few)....  I
>>>>> also
>>>>> >> understand the pitfalls of having data locked in some proprietary
>>>>> format
>>>>> >> that you don't have control over and could potentially lose access.
>>>>>  Anyone
>>>>> >> who has ever had to design anything in Publisher and doesn't always
>>>>> have
>>>>> >> access to a Windows machine knows that fear.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It especially pisses me off when he attacks people who are actively
>>>>> >> developing, promoting, and encouraging open source software because
>>>>> they
>>>>> >> are not "Free Enough".  These people are on your side, idiot.  Stop
>>>>> >> shooting your allies.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> But it's not an all-or-nothing thing.  It's not even an "us vs.
>>>>> them".
>>>>> >>  It's not just that open source isn't the enemy of "Free
>>>>> Software®™©"
>>>>> >> and proprietary software is. Why does there have to be an "enemy" at
>>>>> all?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Just do your thing and let other people do theirs.  If you want to
>>>>> >> explain the benefits of your way of doing things, fine - but don't
>>>>> claim
>>>>> >> that doing things any other way is evil.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If you want to promote Free Software as the best way - fine. Do not
>>>>> claim
>>>>> >> it is the only way.  Because it's not.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>> >>
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